Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – A

the-walking-dead-terminusJeremy:  So we getting in to this? Good show but I get the feeling it won’t be the most well received for a season finale.

Kevin:  I was going to start from the end but I think that’s a mistake. Although I can’t avoid saying, I thought there was a lot to be debated at the end.
Jeremy:  OK lets start there. What you getting at?
Kevin:  Rick and crew come in, are a little too skiddish, start shit n someone else’s “house”, Terminus doesn’t try to kill them and only directs them to a train car and then Rick wants “Show them who they’re screwing with.” Asshole, it’s their place. You voluntarily came into it. They are allowed to screw with you especially if they do it in a non-violent way.
Jeremy:  They just went through a battle at the prison. They also just encountered a roaming group of viscous, murderous rapists. Their guard has to be up. Seeing that they had the clothes of your friends on and then lie to you about it gives you the leeway to be an asshole.
The whole not trying to kill them thing, um, you did see the flayed skeleton pile right?
Kevin:  No, I didn’t see that. But they did intentionally shoot around them instead of just killing them. I was wondering if Terminus uses the train car as a cooling off method knowing that everyone coming in has had a traumatic experience like Rick & crew so they use it to help people readjust.
Jeremy:  I thought the same thing until I wondered why they are wearing and using their clothes and accessories. Would seem to me that if they were letting them cool down you wouldn’t steal their belongings. It was obvious they were guiding them somewhere and they even mentioned it while running. Also, when running you could hear someone yelling in one of the containers.
Kevin:  Definitely missed the yelling part. Are you talking about other containers than the one with Glenn & company in? It was a little strange to borrow someone’s stuff and use it but again, why not kill them already? If it’s their ploy to lure you in by saying everyone is welcome, it has worked so just eliminate them. Why feed them or even keep them around because someone could hatch a plan of revenge.

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Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – The Grove

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Kevin: There was some rough stuff in The Walking Dead last night.

Jeremy:  So, um, that was a lot of fun.

Kevin:  Yeah, this half season has been a real cheer ’em set of episodes.
Jeremy:  They answered a lot of questions with this episode as it pertained to feeding the walkers and dissecting the rabbit. Seemed like a cop out but it worked as it pertained to Lizzie being cuckoo.
Kevin:  I remember our speculation last year for who exactly was at fault for the mice and the killings and we got firm answers to both of those questions. And wow, Lizzie was off of her rocker. Wouldn’t you expect that more out of kids in a way? We’ve seen plenty of adults go batty but not many kids.
Jeremy:  I watched the replay and on second view the girl was so broken. She didn’t understand why Carol was upset when she killed her sister. All she said was she was sorry for pointing a gun at her. It sounds like she was this way before she was introduced to the audience.
Kevin:  It does seem like she was already which is weird considering how big of a plot point it was. Wouldn’t you want to explore that a little more or was the mystery the only reason to go that route?
Jeremy:  I figure having her world fall apart with walkers and then parents being murdered or eaten by walkers would do it. he breakdown was enough for me. I was openly hoping both kids got killed off. They were both so annoying at the beginning of episode.
Kevin:  I wasn’t rooting for them to die but I wasn’t buying the gigantic differences in the children in how they handled it. And why exactly is Carol wanting the not crazy one to shoot a deer? I understand teaching her to kill zombies but there’s no need for her to take out a deer at 8.
Jeremy:  I was lost on that at first but then she was trying to show her that you can and have to in some way kill something that is alive. It was about survival at that point. She figured out the walker part so that was the next step. her hippie attitude towards things was infuriating. You lost flower child , get on with it.

The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Still

The Walking Dead - StillJeremy:  What an entirely uneven episode last night. The logic gaffes were astounding.

Kevin:  That was not one of my favorite episodes. Nothing reeled me in last night even with their existence being in more peril than other people’s they’ve shown.
Jeremy:  I enjoyed the lead up until they burned down the cabin. The lack of dialogue and the exploration was good but it did hurt Daryl’s tracker skills.
Kevin:  Or any semblance to a leader in training that he had gotten from Rick. You always viewed him as the right hand man but he cracks when the war goes a little awry.
Jeremy:  Well he was in survival mode and he was doing a decent job. I give him the benefit of the doubt since he just lost his brother and now everyone else.
Kevin:  But you said it best, why not use his tracking skills to find the other people. We’re still talking about a relatively small area everyone is in. 2 sets of people have found the camp welcoming people.
Jeremy:  You beat me to it. I understand they may not have seen anyone else escape but the train tracks keep sticking out to me. They may not have gone the same way as the others though. One set goes West the other East.  Especially if by going back to the cabin, wouldn’t they have stumbled across that golf course in the past as well?
Kevin:  I would think they’d be pretty familiar with the territory considering how many runs they’ve gone on for supplies.
Jeremy:  Nailed it. Now they didn’t act as if it was a surprise to find it but the way they went through it lead me to believe they had never been in there. The lack of caution they displayed was stellar.
Kevin:  No caution at all in about anything they did. I was surprised that the arrows breaking down didn’t play more into that lack of caution.
Jeremy:  Unless that is for later but it was a clear foreshadowing device that was not seen through. Another big issue is why they didn’t load up on golf clubs? It seemed to work rather well.
Kevin:  I’m surprised more people haven’t used those. They’ve been effective on more than on occasion. You get some distance from the walker. They’re light and strong.
Jeremy:  Yeah and when it breaks you can jab em in the head. It makes sense to grab a bag and run off. Wait, or not run off since it is shelter.
Kevin:  I thought that was pretty strange too. Everyone else has found shelter pretty easy but no such luck for Beth & Daryl.

Jeremy:  Daryl’s survivor instincts seemed to call for him to move and be out in the wild. how taking camp in a dense tree forest makes sense is beyond me.
did they learn nothing form the opening scene?

Stunt Granny Conversation – The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Claimed

Walking-Dead-Claimed-Suspenseful-With-New-ThreatsKevin:  Do we want to start with Rick’s relaxing day at the house?

Jeremy:  For an episode where not a lot happened that was some intense stuff.
Kevin:  I wasn’t sure how I talked myself into going bed. Maybe it’s because I know the good guy usually gets away. That was great tension though.
Not seeing the invaders really helped to ratchet it up.
Jeremy:  At first I thought the noise was Rick coming out of a dream. When it kept going it was actually kind of frightening.
Kevin:  I thought it was a dream or something just to scare him like a tree branch against a window.
Jeremy:  As much as I hate scenes liek that with the guy walking and then eventually jumping on the bed, that one worked so well. The gun barrell being prominent really helped.
Kevin:  They did it so well in many respects. Normally, the person isn’t as injured as Rick was. I mentioned not seeing the invaders because that usually happens too. You see them rummaging through the house so you know how many of them there are.
But you were in the dark that whole time. Just when you thought they had shown all the men, another shows up.
Jeremy:  Yes and he falls asleep and then gets woken up only to get choked out. The look on his face when he saw Rick was great. Trying to get the blockhead choking him to stop so he can tell him someone is under the bed.
Kevin:  I figured the attacker would let go at some point. Death for not giving up a bed seemed a bit much. Not during the zombie apocalypse though.
Jeremy:  Well he just put him to sleep. Brutus Beefcake style minus the haircut. Now, why didn’t Rick grab the damn gun? He is sneaking around for no reason. Grab the gun and get out.
Kevin:  He kept trying to not let them know he was there and grabbing the gun would have tipped them off.
Jeremy:  Yeah well if he has the gun it won’t matter. Nothing says stealth like fighting a guy in a bathroom.

Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – After

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Jeremy:  After a few months of anticipation the show seemed incredibly uneven.

Kevin:  I think not having everyone in one spot made it feel uneven. Even when they don’t have major roles, you at least saw more than 3 of the main characters.
Jeremy:  My concern was the Carl arc. His emotions jumped all over and out of the blue. His anger made absolute sense. His arrogance building up as well. Then out of the blue he crumbles? In the span of three days.
Kevin:  I thought he was a justified dick in those situations. But I can see him being a basket case in that short amount of time. No matter what he’s learned, I’m not surprised some suburban white kid is going to turn into a bad ass who doesn’t flip out when his dad or some authority figure isn’t around.
Jeremy:  They showed him as too confident for the transformation to take place. The last image we had was him surveying the land eating pudding. Them he falls apart. It as as if there was another scene removed.
Kevin:  I think all of the bravado led to that moment. He’s trying to put up a facade but he can’t maintain it for that long of a time period. No matter how many people or zombies he’s killed, he could always run back to Rick Michonne, Daryl or Hershel. No back up.
Jeremy:  Yes, I also forget he is barely teenager so his lashing out will come and go. It was also a short time, literally, where he was being taught how to use a gun. You know he was going to get in some trouble on his own. The first round was nice as it showed how easily the slow moving walkers can overtake one person.
Kevin:  I was waiting for Carl to get taken out. I thought maybe he’d be more cautious after the run in with the walkers he lured away from the house. That is the other interesting thing about Carl, he made good decisions to go with the bad. Smart plan to make the noise away from where you’re staying.

Stunt Granny Conversation – The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Too Far Gone

The-Walking-Dead-Season-4-Episode-8-Video-Preview-and-Sneak-Peek-Too-Far-GoneKevin: Do you have any training today?

Jeremy:  Nope. I am good as far as I know

Kevin:  Cool because this Walking Dead talk could really be broken into two parts in my opinion.

Jeremy:  As I told Shahid last night I was drained at the end of it.
Kevin:  Then you need to stop jerking off during the show
Jeremy:  There hasn’t been an episode like this in a while. Knowing something terrible is coming. I liken it to the final episode of The Shield and not the mediocre Marvel show.
Kevin:  I never watched that show so I don’t get the reference but they started the show off on an ominous note.
The give away we talked about last week was a nice red herring to make that terrible thing much more present.
Jeremy:  Thought the episode did a fantastic job of balancing philosophies and actions. The action was a bit rushed but that is acceptable. Of could have used fifteen more minutes. Extended episode
Kevin:  Yeah, that episode seemed like a perfect time for an extended one but no dice. I do think it was rushed but it ultimately led to the outcome of the situation too which I’d rather not get to this early in the conversation.
Jeremy:  It was paced perfectly for an hour and fifteen. Of course this was the mid season finale so it gets a pass.
Kevin:  So it was extended? I didn’t notice honestly. I was too wrapped up in the episode to worry about that. It’s not like Monday Night Raw. I’m okay with an over run.

Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Live Bait

The GovernorJeremy:  Do you went ti start the convo now?

Kevin:  Sure. How about those Lions?

Jeremy:  Calvin has no catches in the second half. Receivers dropping Easy passes. The Steelers announcers were entertaining in the second quarter. Then watched rest on TV.
Kevin:  I didn’t hear them at all. Barely heard the TV announcers since I taped almost the whole thing. Slow ass game lasted after 4:25.
Jeremy:  Yes when the Lions kept dropping passes clock stopping all over. Defensive line had no push and their secondary is garbage. No d line no wins.
Kevin:  The Steelers have gotten lucky the last couple of weeks with their opponents helping them. Although the Steelers had their own fair share of drops including what should have been a Heath Miller TD that turned into a really short FG. Speaking of FGs, no one has any idea what Schwartz was thinking on the fake.
Jeremy:  I didn’t mind the call. Then the defense shits the bed and let’s em go 98 yards?
Kevin:  Yeah, it’s designed to pin the opposing teams offense but it didn’t work. Big Ben didn’t forget to look to his best receiver like Stafford. First down to Brown and that was about it.
Jeremy:  Exactly. Then Lions really need Burleson back.
Kevin:  Somehow the Steelers are still alive in what is a truly horrific AFC. Had to fit that harassment in though. Were you expecting a whole episode on the Governor?
Jeremy:  Yes I was. So that did not surprise me at all and it was very good idea.
Kevin:  I was surprised but agree it was a good idea. The part that I’m interested in is how it fits in time wise with his appearance at the prison. He was cleaned up so it was definitely after his wondering aimlessly phase.
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