Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – A

the-walking-dead-terminusJeremy:  So we getting in to this? Good show but I get the feeling it won’t be the most well received for a season finale.

Kevin:  I was going to start from the end but I think that’s a mistake. Although I can’t avoid saying, I thought there was a lot to be debated at the end.
Jeremy:  OK lets start there. What you getting at?
Kevin:  Rick and crew come in, are a little too skiddish, start shit n someone else’s “house”, Terminus doesn’t try to kill them and only directs them to a train car and then Rick wants “Show them who they’re screwing with.” Asshole, it’s their place. You voluntarily came into it. They are allowed to screw with you especially if they do it in a non-violent way.
Jeremy:  They just went through a battle at the prison. They also just encountered a roaming group of viscous, murderous rapists. Their guard has to be up. Seeing that they had the clothes of your friends on and then lie to you about it gives you the leeway to be an asshole.
The whole not trying to kill them thing, um, you did see the flayed skeleton pile right?
Kevin:  No, I didn’t see that. But they did intentionally shoot around them instead of just killing them. I was wondering if Terminus uses the train car as a cooling off method knowing that everyone coming in has had a traumatic experience like Rick & crew so they use it to help people readjust.
Jeremy:  I thought the same thing until I wondered why they are wearing and using their clothes and accessories. Would seem to me that if they were letting them cool down you wouldn’t steal their belongings. It was obvious they were guiding them somewhere and they even mentioned it while running. Also, when running you could hear someone yelling in one of the containers.
Kevin:  Definitely missed the yelling part. Are you talking about other containers than the one with Glenn & company in? It was a little strange to borrow someone’s stuff and use it but again, why not kill them already? If it’s their ploy to lure you in by saying everyone is welcome, it has worked so just eliminate them. Why feed them or even keep them around because someone could hatch a plan of revenge.

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Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Us

the-walking-dead-season-4-episode-15-UsJeremy:  So yeah, an empty Train Station growing Sunflowers? Every thing must be ship shape in there.

Kevin:  There’s got to be a catch. I’m not even sure they’ll reveal what it is in the season finale next week. My bet is on a cliff hanger to end the final episode.
Jeremy:  Oh for sure. I mean where are all the people? Chick grilling in the middle of nowhere? Plus Mary came off really creepy.
Kevin:  Yes she did. I was expecting some more hostility in some form as they walked through guns ready to go. Nothing happened though.
Jeremy:  Yeah the high security of an unlocked fence. Nothing screams safe like a chain just wrapped around a chain link fence. I know there is one episode to go this season but they can’t make them this dumb.
Kevin:  I’d have to think they aren’t simply because of all of the vegetables being grown and the fact that zombies weren’t anywhere to be seen.
Jeremy:  I would expect their guard to be high. They have lost both Hershel’s house and the prison. I also remember Woodbury had a similar area where they fought the walkers.
Kevin:  I would expect that they will pull out a new twist on the defense. Everyone seems to have a new bag of tricks.
Jeremy:  Yeah at least someone in the group reached the place. The episode did  a lot even if it didn’t seem like it. Almost felt like a first episode of a season instead of a second to last of the season episode.
Kevin:  They started to tie everything together so I’m not sure how anyone would think that episode didn’t do a lot. 2 of the groups found each other and we found out for sure that the gang Daryl is with are the ones who wondered into the house where Rick, Carl and Michonne were. I know we assumed that.

Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Alone

walking-dead-aloneJeremy:  So so you like Bob any better after this episode?

Kevin:  I’ll answer your question by starting at the beginning of the episode. Am I the only that thought they found Bob in the prison?

Jeremy:  Yes. He even said when they introduced him by saying they found him “out there.”

Kevin:  Okay. I must have forgotten about that. Bob certainly has more of a character after that episode but I’m not sure I like him, Maggie or Sasha any more after that episode. No one stepped up in that trio to be the leader.
Jeremy:  I liked his matter of fact attitude. When Daryl and Glenn approach him and he just stands there saying hello.
Kevin:  He tried to keep the group together and you can’t blame him for trying to get all up into Sasha.
Jeremy:  I see your side of it though. They are all codependent. Maggie gets all hard and takes off but then stops out of the blue. Sasha was beggin Bob to stay so she wouldn’t be alone. He gets some play and continues on. He turned out to be the only admirable one or at least hardened. Can we talk strategy and logic for a moment?
Kevin:  Sure, whose strategy?
Jeremy:  Those three. Sleeping in woods. Maggie just passing out in open instead of going to a friggin building twenty feet away. The sleeping in the open makes no damn sense. Let alone walking in the woods.
Kevin:  I wold have felt the least bad about anyone them being knocked off because of their strategy.
People have been staying out of the woods for almost the entire run of the show but all of a sudden, everyone is loving the idea, not just this trio.
Jeremy:  Right, Rick and Carl got to a house when Rick could barely move. Michonne at least joined a herd and was in a field of low grass. No idea what Carol and Tyreese have been up to.
These three decide to go camping. After the fog wouldn’t you hightail it? how turned around are these three rubes?
Kevin:  Carol & Tyreese found the tracks in their one episode. The fog was a cool way to get in a zombie attack since I don’t feel I’d seen it before.

Fog can be anywhere but again, if you’re in a field or something more open, you’d have more vision even in that situation.
Jeremy:  I was thinking that the time frame on all of this is part of the issue. How many days has it been? Seems liek all the episodes have the same amount of nightfall?
Kevin:  It is getting hard to tell what the timing is. With Carl, Rick & Michonne, you got a decent grasp of it. Or even Daryl & Beth, but this trio has been pushed to the back. I feel like they were in the same spot they had been left in their previous episode though so the day count is about the same as other groups.

The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Still

The Walking Dead - StillJeremy:  What an entirely uneven episode last night. The logic gaffes were astounding.

Kevin:  That was not one of my favorite episodes. Nothing reeled me in last night even with their existence being in more peril than other people’s they’ve shown.
Jeremy:  I enjoyed the lead up until they burned down the cabin. The lack of dialogue and the exploration was good but it did hurt Daryl’s tracker skills.
Kevin:  Or any semblance to a leader in training that he had gotten from Rick. You always viewed him as the right hand man but he cracks when the war goes a little awry.
Jeremy:  Well he was in survival mode and he was doing a decent job. I give him the benefit of the doubt since he just lost his brother and now everyone else.
Kevin:  But you said it best, why not use his tracking skills to find the other people. We’re still talking about a relatively small area everyone is in. 2 sets of people have found the camp welcoming people.
Jeremy:  You beat me to it. I understand they may not have seen anyone else escape but the train tracks keep sticking out to me. They may not have gone the same way as the others though. One set goes West the other East.  Especially if by going back to the cabin, wouldn’t they have stumbled across that golf course in the past as well?
Kevin:  I would think they’d be pretty familiar with the territory considering how many runs they’ve gone on for supplies.
Jeremy:  Nailed it. Now they didn’t act as if it was a surprise to find it but the way they went through it lead me to believe they had never been in there. The lack of caution they displayed was stellar.
Kevin:  No caution at all in about anything they did. I was surprised that the arrows breaking down didn’t play more into that lack of caution.
Jeremy:  Unless that is for later but it was a clear foreshadowing device that was not seen through. Another big issue is why they didn’t load up on golf clubs? It seemed to work rather well.
Kevin:  I’m surprised more people haven’t used those. They’ve been effective on more than on occasion. You get some distance from the walker. They’re light and strong.
Jeremy:  Yeah and when it breaks you can jab em in the head. It makes sense to grab a bag and run off. Wait, or not run off since it is shelter.
Kevin:  I thought that was pretty strange too. Everyone else has found shelter pretty easy but no such luck for Beth & Daryl.

Jeremy:  Daryl’s survivor instincts seemed to call for him to move and be out in the wild. how taking camp in a dense tree forest makes sense is beyond me.
did they learn nothing form the opening scene?

Stunt Granny Conversation – The Walking Dead – Season 4 – Claimed

Walking-Dead-Claimed-Suspenseful-With-New-ThreatsKevin:  Do we want to start with Rick’s relaxing day at the house?

Jeremy:  For an episode where not a lot happened that was some intense stuff.
Kevin:  I wasn’t sure how I talked myself into going bed. Maybe it’s because I know the good guy usually gets away. That was great tension though.
Not seeing the invaders really helped to ratchet it up.
Jeremy:  At first I thought the noise was Rick coming out of a dream. When it kept going it was actually kind of frightening.
Kevin:  I thought it was a dream or something just to scare him like a tree branch against a window.
Jeremy:  As much as I hate scenes liek that with the guy walking and then eventually jumping on the bed, that one worked so well. The gun barrell being prominent really helped.
Kevin:  They did it so well in many respects. Normally, the person isn’t as injured as Rick was. I mentioned not seeing the invaders because that usually happens too. You see them rummaging through the house so you know how many of them there are.
But you were in the dark that whole time. Just when you thought they had shown all the men, another shows up.
Jeremy:  Yes and he falls asleep and then gets woken up only to get choked out. The look on his face when he saw Rick was great. Trying to get the blockhead choking him to stop so he can tell him someone is under the bed.
Kevin:  I figured the attacker would let go at some point. Death for not giving up a bed seemed a bit much. Not during the zombie apocalypse though.
Jeremy:  Well he just put him to sleep. Brutus Beefcake style minus the haircut. Now, why didn’t Rick grab the damn gun? He is sneaking around for no reason. Grab the gun and get out.
Kevin:  He kept trying to not let them know he was there and grabbing the gun would have tipped them off.
Jeremy:  Yeah well if he has the gun it won’t matter. Nothing says stealth like fighting a guy in a bathroom.

Stunt Granny Conversation – The Walking Dead – Season 4- Inmates

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Jeremy:  OK then let’s do this. Carol’s back and they had a good explanation as well.

Kevin:  A very good explanation really. She was too attached to those kids. The kids like her too.

Jeremy:  Her excuse was a tad flimsy to Tyreese but under the circumstances it is easily believable.

Kevin:  Tyreese didn’t completely seem to be buying it but he figured the benefits of having someone else around outweighed a bad excuse.

Jeremy:  Yeah true I chalked it I’ll to shock and then elation. He has the baby skills of a rock. Psycho girls approach was more effective.

Kevin:  Killing  Judith would be one way to deal with a baby. I do love that the child looked too old when it was first born but now seems to be young for her age.

Jeremy:  Yeah that kid about up on size and has gone stagnant. Maybe that is the future of mankind; a world of Benjamin Buttons? I thought that was a nice moral dilemma. How do you handle that? Tyreese saved Judith but then she is possibly going to be your undoing.

Kevin:  I was a little surprised they had enough sense to grab some formula for the kid. Tyreese had it the worst out of anyone with Judith & the 2 little girls. Yikes. No help until Carol arrived.

Jeremy: On top of that one kid who is a tad , um, off her rocker and the other a blubbering mess. Seems pretty obvious now who killed Sasha and the other guy. Carol was clearly covering for her. Oh and the feeding of zombies.

Kevin: That kid has gone over the edge. At least with Carl, you see that has hasn’t completely lost it.

Jeremy: Carl seems to just be going through puberty in a horrible time. This chick probably had some issues before all of this and circumstances have added to the problem. I don’t feel much sympathy for her for some reason. Her sister seems like a regular child.

Kevin:  They introduced her as crazy so it’s hard to sympathize with her. If your theory is right and she did take out the 2 infected people, even less reason to have sympathy.

Jeremy: Just hoping it doesn’t turn in to Carol doubting herself again over one of the kids she trained or molded turns out to be a list cause. They have dine too good of a job building her up.

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Stunt Granny Conversation: The Walking Dead – Season 4 – After

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Jeremy:  After a few months of anticipation the show seemed incredibly uneven.

Kevin:  I think not having everyone in one spot made it feel uneven. Even when they don’t have major roles, you at least saw more than 3 of the main characters.
Jeremy:  My concern was the Carl arc. His emotions jumped all over and out of the blue. His anger made absolute sense. His arrogance building up as well. Then out of the blue he crumbles? In the span of three days.
Kevin:  I thought he was a justified dick in those situations. But I can see him being a basket case in that short amount of time. No matter what he’s learned, I’m not surprised some suburban white kid is going to turn into a bad ass who doesn’t flip out when his dad or some authority figure isn’t around.
Jeremy:  They showed him as too confident for the transformation to take place. The last image we had was him surveying the land eating pudding. Them he falls apart. It as as if there was another scene removed.
Kevin:  I think all of the bravado led to that moment. He’s trying to put up a facade but he can’t maintain it for that long of a time period. No matter how many people or zombies he’s killed, he could always run back to Rick Michonne, Daryl or Hershel. No back up.
Jeremy:  Yes, I also forget he is barely teenager so his lashing out will come and go. It was also a short time, literally, where he was being taught how to use a gun. You know he was going to get in some trouble on his own. The first round was nice as it showed how easily the slow moving walkers can overtake one person.
Kevin:  I was waiting for Carl to get taken out. I thought maybe he’d be more cautious after the run in with the walkers he lured away from the house. That is the other interesting thing about Carl, he made good decisions to go with the bad. Smart plan to make the noise away from where you’re staying.
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